{"id":4218,"date":"2018-04-18T08:00:03","date_gmt":"2018-04-18T06:00:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/?p=4218"},"modified":"2026-02-05T14:55:05","modified_gmt":"2026-02-05T13:55:05","slug":"prelevement-a-la-source-ijss-subrogees","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/prelevement-a-la-source-ijss-subrogees\/","title":{"rendered":"Pr\u00e9l\u00e8vement \u00e0 la source sur IJSS subrog\u00e9es : le GIP-MDS apporte des clarifications"},"content":{"rendered":"<header class=\"entry-header has-dark-background-color entry-header--has-illustration entry-header--has-illustration--generic\">\n\t<div class=\"container\">\n\t\t<div class=\"entry-header__row row align-center\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"col col-lg-7 col-xlg-6 entry-header__content\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"component component-single-header\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"entry-header__misc text--subtitle text--uppercase text--small\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/categorie\/legal-et-reglementation\/\" class=\"entry-header__link\">L\u00e9gal &amp; R\u00e9glementation<\/a>\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"entry-title-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h1 class=\"entry-title\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\tPr\u00e9l\u00e8vement \u00e0 la source sur IJSS subrog\u00e9es : le GIP-MDS apporte des clarifications\t\t\t\t\t<\/h1>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"entry-header__description\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\t<div class=\"single-post-details container\">\n\t\t<div class=\"col\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"posted-on \"><time class=\"entry-date published\" datetime=\"2018-04-18T08:00:03+02:00\">avril 18, 2018<\/time><\/span><span class=\"reading-time\"> min de lecture<\/span>\n\t\t<button\n\t\t\ttype=\"button\"\n\t\t\tclass=\"social-share-button button button--icon button--secondary js-social-share-button\"\n\t\t\tdata-share-title=\"Pr\u00e9l\u00e8vement \u00e0 la source sur IJSS subrog\u00e9es : le GIP-MDS apporte des clarifications\"\n\t\t\tdata-share-url=\"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/prelevement-a-la-source-ijss-subrogees\/\"\n\t\t\tdata-share-text=\"Veuillez lire cet article int\u00e9ressant\"\n\t\t>\n\t\t\t<span class=\"social-share-button__share-label\">Partager<\/span>\n\t\t\t<span class=\"social-share-button__copy-label\" hidden>Copier le lien<\/span>\n\t\t\t<span class=\"social-share-button__copy-tooltip\" aria-hidden=\"true\" hidden>Copi\u00e9<\/span>\n\t\t<\/button>\n\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<\/header>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-post-author has-dark-background-color alignfull\">\n\t<div class=\"container\">\n\t\t<div class=\"col\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"co-authors\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t<div class=\"entry-author-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t<a class=\"entry-author\" href=\"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/author\/christopheadam\/\">\n\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"40\" height=\"40\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2024\/07\/Christophe-Adam-350x350.jpg\" class=\"entry-author__image\" alt=\"Christophe Adam\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2024\/07\/Christophe-Adam-350x350.jpg 350w, https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2024\/07\/Christophe-Adam-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2024\/07\/Christophe-Adam.jpg 800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 40px) 100vw, 40px\" \/>\t\t\t\t<span class=\"entry-author__name\">Christophe Adam<\/span>\n\t\t\t<\/a>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>Le GIP-MDS (Groupement d\u2019int\u00e9r\u00eat public-Modernisation des d\u00e9clarations sociales), en charge de la ma\u00eetrise d\u2019ouvrage de la DSN, a actualis\u00e9 les fiches du site officiel DSN-info.fr relatives \u00e0 l\u2019application du <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/prelevement-a-la-source-pas\/\">pr\u00e9l\u00e8vement \u00e0 la source (PAS)<\/a> aux IJSS subrog\u00e9es.<br>\n\u00c0 cette occasion, quelques <strong>clarifications<\/strong> sont apport\u00e9es.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>En cas de subrogation, on sait d\u00e9j\u00e0 l\u2019employeur sera tenu d&rsquo;appliquer le PAS au montant imposable des <strong>IJSS maladie subrog\u00e9es<\/strong> pendant les deux premiers mois d\u2019arr\u00eat de travail (voir information Internet RF Paye du 2 f\u00e9vrier 2018). Pour autant, l\u2019employeur n\u2019a pas \u00e0 les porter dans la rubrique \u00ab r\u00e9mun\u00e9ration nette fiscale \u00bb de la DSN (G00.50.002).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Le GIP-MDS pr\u00e9cise aujourd\u2019hui que le montant des IJSS n\u2019a pas non plus \u00e0 \u00eatre port\u00e9e en rubrique \u00ab r\u00e9mun\u00e9ration nette fiscale potentielle \u00bb (G00.50.005).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Enfin, m\u00eame si on pouvait d\u00e9j\u00e0 le d\u00e9duire, il est maintenant clairement indiqu\u00e9 que <strong>la r\u00e8gle des deux mois ne concerne que les IJSS pour maladie non professionnelle<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Pour les <strong>autres types d\u2019IJSS<\/strong> (accident du travail, maladie professionnelle, maternit\u00e9), d\u00e8s lors qu\u2019il y a subrogation, l\u2019employeur doit appliquer le pr\u00e9l\u00e8vement \u00e0 la source \u00e0 leur montant imposable, <strong>ind\u00e9pendamment de la dur\u00e9e de l\u2019arr\u00eat de travail<\/strong>, et donc y compris au-del\u00e0 de 2 mois. L\u00e0 aussi, il ne faut remplir ni la rubrique \u00ab r\u00e9mun\u00e9ration nette fiscale \u00bb, ni la rubrique \u00ab r\u00e9mun\u00e9ration nette fiscale potentielle \u00bb.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>M\u00eame si le GIP-MDS n\u2019aborde pas ce point, on rappellera, bien entendu, que le montant imposable des IJSS est \u00e9gal au montant brut diminu\u00e9 de la CSG d\u00e9ductible (3,80 % sur les IJSS). Par ailleurs, les IJSS accidents du travail et maladie professionnelle ne sont imposables que pour moiti\u00e9 (CGI art. 80 quinquies et 81, 8\u00b0).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>http:\/\/www.dsn-info.fr (base de connaissance DSN, fiches 1851 et 1854, actualis\u00e9es au 3\/04\/2018)<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"color: #808080\">Retrouvez toutes les actualit\u00e9s de notre partenaire RFConseil \u00e9dit\u00e9 par le Groupe Revue Fiduciaire sur son application GRF + :<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><span style=\"color: #808080\"><a style=\"color: #808080\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/fr\/app\/grf-+\/id714087085?mt=8\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Pour Apple<\/a><\/span><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><span style=\"color: #808080\"><a style=\"color: #808080\" href=\"https:\/\/play.google.com\/store\/apps\/details?id=com.amudo.GRF&amp;hl=fr\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Pour Android<\/a><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h6 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-source-rf-conseil-http-rfpaye-grouperf-com-depeches-41252-html-05-04-2018\">Source : RF Conseil,<a href=\"http:\/\/rfpaye.grouperf.com\/depeches\/41252.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"> http:\/\/rfpaye.grouperf.com\/depeches\/41252.html<\/a>, 05\/04\/2018.<\/h6>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"single-cta gated-content\">\n\t<div class=\"single-cta__positioner\">\n\t\t<div class=\"single-cta__wrapper has-dark-background-color\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"single-cta__content\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"single-cta__title h3\">Tout ce que vous avez toujours voulu savoir sur le pr\u00e9l\u00e8vement \u00e0 la source<\/h2>\n\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a\n\t\t\t\t\t\thref=\"#gate-596c82f7-3aea-4e1f-bcf7-0aa051e02726\"\n\t\t\t\t\t\tclass=\"single-cta__button button button--primary\"\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t>T\u00e9l\u00e9chargez gratuitement le livre blanc<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t<img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1248\" height=\"810\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2018\/10\/guide-tout-savoir-sur-le-prelevement-a-la-source-PAS_CTA-1248x810.jpg\" class=\"single-cta__image\" alt=\"guide-tout-savoir-sur-le-prelevement-a-la-source-PAS_CTA\" loading=\"lazy\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2018\/10\/guide-tout-savoir-sur-le-prelevement-a-la-source-PAS_CTA-1248x810.jpg 1248w\" sizes=\"auto, (min-width: 48em) 33vw, 100vw\" \/>\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<div class=\"single-cta\">\n\t<div class=\"single-cta__positioner\">\n\t\t<div class=\"single-cta__wrapper has-dark-background-color\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"single-cta__content\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"single-cta__title h3\">Inscrivez-vous \u00e0 la e-newsletter mensuelle<\/h2>\n\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a\n\t\t\t\t\t\thref=\"#gate-a947ade1-e692-455f-94ce-a275d72a9a11\"\n\t\t\t\t\t\tclass=\"single-cta__button button button--primary\"\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t>Je m&#039;abonne<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t<img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"779\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/05\/spreadsheets-1024x779-1.jpg\" class=\"single-cta__image\" alt=\"\" loading=\"lazy\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2021\/05\/spreadsheets-1024x779-1.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (min-width: 48em) 33vw, 100vw\" \/>\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Le GIP-MDS (Groupement d\u2019int\u00e9r\u00eat public-Modernisation des d\u00e9clarations sociales), en charge de la ma\u00eetrise d\u2019ouvrage de la DSN, a actualis\u00e9 les fiches du site officiel DSN-info.fr relatives \u00e0 l\u2019application du pr\u00e9l\u00e8vement \u00e0 la source (PAS) aux IJSS subrog\u00e9es. \u00c0 cette occasion, quelques clarifications sont apport\u00e9es. En cas de subrogation, on sait d\u00e9j\u00e0 l\u2019employeur sera tenu d&rsquo;appliquer [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":710,"featured_media":4219,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_sage_video":false,"post_featured_image_hide":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[13,56],"tags":[127],"business_type":[8,9],"lilypad":[],"context":[],"industry":[],"persona":[34,36],"imagine_tag":[443,454,722],"coauthors":[906],"class_list":["post-4218","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-legal-et-reglementation","category-management-et-rh","tag-prelevement-a-la-source-pas","business_type-artisans-et-petites-entreprises","business_type-petites-et-moyennes-entreprises"],"sage_meta":{"region":"fr-fr","author_name":"Christophe Adam","featured_image":"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2018\/04\/prelevement-source-ijss.jpg","imagine_tags":{"443":"Paie","454":"Paie et RH","722":"Prelevement a la source"}},"distributor_meta":false,"distributor_terms":false,"distributor_media":false,"distributor_original_site_name":"Sage Advice France","distributor_original_site_url":"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog","push-errors":false,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/api\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4218","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/api\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/api\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/api\/wp\/v2\/users\/710"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/api\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4218"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/api\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4218\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/api\/wp\/v2\/media\/4219"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/api\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4218"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/api\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4218"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/api\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4218"},{"taxonomy":"business_type","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/api\/wp\/v2\/business_type?post=4218"},{"taxonomy":"lilypad","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/api\/wp\/v2\/lilypad?post=4218"},{"taxonomy":"context","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/api\/wp\/v2\/context?post=4218"},{"taxonomy":"industry","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/api\/wp\/v2\/industry?post=4218"},{"taxonomy":"persona","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/api\/wp\/v2\/persona?post=4218"},{"taxonomy":"imagine_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/api\/wp\/v2\/imagine_tag?post=4218"},{"taxonomy":"author","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sage.com\/fr-fr\/blog\/api\/wp\/v2\/coauthors?post=4218"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}